Telit LM960 build question

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Wisconsin1000
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Telit LM960 build question

Post by Wisconsin1000 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:50 pm

Hello, I've been looking around into the Telit LM-960 which is a mPCIe factor vs the m.2. I'm lost on where to start on this project.

Lingering around your website i see you sell a "Mini PCI-E To M.2 (NGFF) Key B Adapter With SIM Card Slot". Will this work in for example a WE826 or a WG3526 build?

I know that the Telit Lm-960 has the option for 4 Mimo antennas.

I'd greatly appreciate if someone could guide me in the right direction for such a build.

I've built the WE826 with sierra card already however would like to get something with band 14.

I appreciate the help, thanks!

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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by BillA » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:27 pm

Wisconsin1000 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Hello, I've been looking around into the Telit LM-960 which is a mPCIe factor vs the m.2. I'm lost on where to start on this project.

Lingering around your website i see you sell a "Mini PCI-E To M.2 (NGFF) Key B Adapter With SIM Card Slot". Will this work in for example a WE826 or a WG3526 build?

I know that the Telit Lm-960 has the option for 4 Mimo antennas.

I'd greatly appreciate if someone could guide me in the right direction for such a build.

I've built the WE826 with sierra card already however would like to get something with band 14.

I appreciate the help, thanks!

If you intend to use an M.2 modem inside a router, then you would use a "Mini PCI-E To M.2 Adapter" WITHOUT a SIM slot, because the router already has one built in. Once you get into modems with more than 2 antennas (a main and aux), then you would have to purchase additional antennas with cables and drill holes into the router in order to take advantage of its higher MIMO capabilities, otherwise you wouldn't see much improvement.
It's probably best to stick with true and tried modems like the Sierra EM7511 (NOT the EM7565!) which does have Band 14:
B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B7, B8, B9, B12, B13, B14, B18, B19, B20, B26, B29, B30, B32, B41, B42, B43, B46, B48, B66

Here's a list of other modems with Band 14:

Fibocom
L860-GL, M2, CAT-16, Bands:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 66


Foxconn/Dell
T77W968 (Dell DW5821E), M.2, CAT-16, 5xCA, Bands:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46, 48, 66


Quectel
EC25-AF, mPCIe, CAT-4, CAx0, Bands:
B2/B4/B5/B12/B13/B14/B66/B71

EM12 CAT-12, M.2, Bands: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B9/B12/B13/B14/B17/B18/B19/B20/B21/B25/B26/B28/B29/B30/B32/B38/39/B40/B41/B66

EM20 CAT-20, M.2, Band: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B13/B14/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28/B29/B30/B38/39/B40/B41/B42/B43/B46/B48/B66


Simcom
SIM7920G-M2 CAT20, M.2, Bands:
B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B13/B14/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28/B29/B30/B32/B66


Telit
LE910C4-NF, CAT-4, Bands:
B2, B4, B5, B12, B13, B14, B66, B71

LM960, CAT-18, Bands:
B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B7, B8, B12, B13, B14, B20, B28, B29, B30, B32, B38, B39, B40, B41, B42, B46, B48, B66, B71

FN980M, 5G, Bands:
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 39, 38, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46 (LAA), 48(CBRS), 66, 71
5G: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n12, n14, n20, n28, n30, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79


And here's some interesting information about the new upcoming CBRS band in the US (this could be big!)
https://www.lanner-america.com/blog/pri ... nd_48_CBRS
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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by Agl539 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:30 pm

Could you explain why band 14 is so important Bill please? Isn't B14 reserved for first responders and therefore not for use by regular consumers? Should regular consumers keep clear of B14 to prevent obstructing or delaying emergency services?

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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by BillA » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:22 pm

Agl539 wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:30 pm
Could you explain why band 14 is so important Bill please? Isn't B14 reserved for first responders and therefore not for use by regular consumers? Should regular consumers keep clear of B14 to prevent obstructing or delaying emergency services?

From what I've read, band 14 will be available in some areas for consumers too, but emergency services will always get priority usage. Another interesting upcoming band is 48(CBRS) I've posted a link about above. For expanded coverage and bandwidth, the most important new bands for ATT are 29/30/46/66, and for Tmobile 46/66/71.
If you want the absolute best coverage money can buy today ($600 smackers;), then go with the
Telit FN980M, LTE+5G, Bands:
LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 39, 38, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46(LAA), 48(CBRS), 66, 71
5G: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n12, n14, n20, n28, n30, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79

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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by MoarBarz » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:41 pm

If you find a good place to source this modem, please let me know.

I've been looking, but short of asking for an engineering sample, I can't seem to find one from a reputable source that I trust will not have been blacklisted or otherwise reported as having from from a specific device that will get banned. (i.e. direct from telit, not associated with any manufacturer, etc.)

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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by blkhawk28 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:51 am

Is the Telit card supported in rooter or wifix? I wouldn't mind getting their new 5G card.

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Re: Telit LM960 build question

Post by BillA » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:18 am

blkhawk28 wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:51 am
Is the Telit card supported in rooter or wifix? I wouldn't mind getting their new 5G card.

I'll let you be the guinea pig for that $600 5G Telit modem (FN980M). jk
First and foremost, drivers would have to be added to the GoldenOrb firmware before anything.
Then, based on the specs, you'll also need 8 antennas to take advantage of its full capabilities, 4 antennas for 4x4 LTE MIMO, and another 4 for 5G. Lots of drilling involved to make it look like a porcupine with all those antennas sticking out (plus another 4 antennas for WiFi 2.4/5Ghz). lol
Telit FN980M spec sheet:
4x antenna connectors for LTE/Sub-6
4x mmWave antennas supported

In my opinion, 5G is still years away till prices comes down to reasonable levels, including routers which actually support it.
However, for adventurous tinkerers, it's possible to do it today by using a 5G phone (cheapest 5G is the $700 Samsung A90) tethered via USB to a current router running GoldenOrb or WiFix. Sure, it will cost and arm and leg (maybe even a kidney), but it's doable. ;)

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