New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by user232 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:12 pm

Anyone elses wg1608 aluminum finned heat sink+shields on the 3 chips wobbly? They attach to board via tabs but I assumed there should be thermal pad under the shield to span the gap between small chip and big heatsink/shield?

Kinda confused with the wg1608, maybe its firmware related but it runs hot even with a em12-g, the wifi is pretty poor (ethernet can be 50mbps but the wifi even with devices right next to it will be 20ish).
Whats the point of the premium price tag asked for this device when most suggestions I see on the boards advise to tether a usb3.0 external modem enclosure to it and attach a separate WAP for wifi? heh. Maybe i'm ignorant of an important capability it offers?

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by gscheb » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:53 pm

Hello,
In my opinion the biggest thing with that router is the LAN ports. They are rated at 1000 Mbps instead of 100 Mbps like they are on the WE826. Myself when have a set up running less than 85 Mbps just use the cheaper WE826.
Far as the WiFi yes must of them are less than good for sure. Some firmware's work better than others but never as good as a conventional router.
Never tethered the modem to the WG3526 always put inside the device itself. Some people do this when they have super fast connections since the adapter could slow them down compared to being tethered.

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by db1234 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:10 pm

toddw wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:48 am
I have one using the RM500Q-GL, not the AE I know but still wanted to try it out. N71 for me is 3-4x faster than regular B71, and my upload is consistently above 12 which is very substantial. Am hoping N41 comes available soon on the tower I'm hitting.

I'm on the 20 FEB firmware, just tried the 25 MAR firmware and it states its invalid. Anyone else having this issue?
I have this same issue. I'm having trouble keeping a stable connection and am also on the 20 FEB firmware and wanted to see if the latest improved things.

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by db1234 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:12 pm

conceptcar3 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:02 am
Hey everyone, i just wanted to reach out on here and see how to get this thing working.. I’ve got the wg1608v2 with the rm500q-ae. I had to switch it to mbim mode for it to carrier aggregate and connect to 5g. But even now when I’ve got it carrier aggregating with 3 bands and connecting to 5g, my speeds are topping out lower than my iPhone X which gets about 30-40mbps. This thing is giving me about 5-10mbps. Do you guys have any idea what I’m doing wrong or what settings I need to change to get some reasonable 5g speeds from this thing? Thanks for your help in advance.
conceptcar3, how did you switch to MBIM mode? Not able to find the right command. Thanks!

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by db1234 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:25 am

db1234 wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:12 pm
conceptcar3, how did you switch to MBIM mode? Not able to find the right command. Thanks!
Command verified working on RM500: AT+QCFG="usbnet",2

I reboot the router after setting this, not 100% if that is required or not.

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by ocpilot » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:24 pm

@BillA

Would you know which firmware I can flash on this router? I flashed a couple listed on the site you linked, but I'm having connection issues and no dhcp. I'm using a rm500q-ae and can't get an ip address.

Thank you
BillA wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 1:29 pm
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Here's more info about the new ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router, and a list of 5G modems at the end of this post.

In a nutshell, it's a souped up WG3526, while running on the same MT7621 chip, it comes with a new 2G/5G WiFi chipset and other interesting upgrades.
It can work with both 4G-LTE and 5G modems (mPCIe or M.2 type), there's no need to drill extra holes for additional antennas to accomodate a 4x4MIMO modem.
Please note, that some sellers include some low end 5G modem which may not work on all US carriers, so make sure to check with the seller before the purchase.
It makes a great choice for someone who wants to go 5G with no fuss.


Here are the highlights:

1. It comes with both mPCIe and M.2 modem connectors to accommodate either form factor, however only one slot can be used at a time. While you cannot plug in two internal modems at the same time, it's possible to USB or WiFi tether a second external modem in an enclosure or even a phone for load balancing or channel bonding. Here's how to do it:
https://ltehacks.com/viewtopic.php?f=10 ... 7661#p7661

2. A new 2G/5G WiFi chipset (MT7906EN-2G and MT7613AEN-5G) for a more stable/higher performance.

3. In order to accommodate the latest 5G modems, it comes with 2 WiFi and 5 cellular antennas fitted with MHF4 connectors. They have done an interesting redesign of the antenna system, as the usual four WiFi antennas (2x 2GHz/2x 5GHz) have been consolidated into just two, now handling both 2G/5G WiFi bands. A well designed RF combiner/splitter should have no major affect on WiFi performance. The 5 cellular antennas are used in the following configuration:

2x Main antennas
2x Diversity/AUX antennas
1x GPS which is not absolutely necessary


Here are the specs:
https://www.zbtlink.com/sale-12902374-n ... -slot.html


Here's the latest GoldenOrb firmware (look for the latest date in the file name):
https://www.ofmodemsandmen.com/upload/



Different memory and modem slot versions:

The WG3526 and WG1608 routers are available in two different Flash/RAM sizes.

1 . 16MB Flash /256MB DDR2 RAM - which can flash the standard firmware up to 16MB, and will run a bit slower on the 256MB DDR2 RAM.

2. 32MB Flash / 512MB DDr3 RAM - which can flash the standard firmware up to 32MB, plus allows you to flash/load additional apps/modules later on (for example additional modem support, VPN's, etc), and will run a bit faster on the larger 512MB DDR3 RAM.

The cost difference between the two memory versions is about $10, which is well worth it for those who need the extra flash and RAM. I prefer the larger Flash/RAM version, but not everyone needs it.


The WG1608 regardless of the Flash/RAM size, is also available in two different modem slot versions.

1. WG1608-v2 (single modem slot) comes with only a single M.2 modem slot which works with most newer 4G-LTE/5G modems using an M.2 connector, but will not work with mPCIe modems.

2. WG1608-DM (Dual Modem slots) comes with both an M.2 modem slot which works with most newer 4G-LTE/5G modems using an M.2 connector, and also an mPCIe modem slot which works with some older 4G-LTE modems using an mPCIe connector. BUT, you can only use one modem at a time (M.2 or mPCIe), due to design restrictions it will not fit two modems at the same time.

The cost difference between the two slot versions is about $10, which is well worth it for those who need the extra mPCIe modem slot. Now that's a cheap slut ... errr... I mean slot. lol


Modems:

The most popular modems in the US are the Quectel EM12-G (4G), EM16-G (EM160R 4G), RM500Q-AE (5G) and the Simcom SIM7912G-M2 (4G), SIM7920G-M2 (4G), SIM8200EA-M2 (5G).

Note that the Quectel RM500Q-"AE" must be version "AE", and Simcom SIM8200"EA"-M2 must be version "EA", only those versions will work properly on all US 5G bands. For example the RM500Q-"GL" and the SIM8200"G"-M2 are the global versions with SA (Stand-Alone) bands only, and are missing essential NSA (Non-Stand-Alone) bands. This is very important when ordering modems, otherwise they are useless on US 5G bands or very limited, and will only work in 4G-LTE mode. In the US we use NSA modems since we don't have a fully SA network yet, so make sure to get the right modem which covers most of your carrier's bands and modes.
Here's a good explanation about the difference between SA and NSA bands/modes:
https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2019/7 ... -5g-tracks


ATT 5G bands:
n5, n41 (2.5 GHz), n71 (600 MHz)
N260 (39 GHz), N261 (28 GHz)

Tmobile 5G bands:
n41 (2.5 GHz), n71 (600 MHz, not the same as the 4G-LTE band 71)
N260 (39 GHz), N261 (28 GHz)

Sprint 5G bands (now part of Tmobile)
n41 (2.5 GHz), n71 (600 MHz, not the same as the 4G-LTE band 71)
N260 (39 GHz), N261 (28 GHz)

Verizon 5G bands:
N260 (39 GHz), N261 (28 GHz)


5G bands prefixed with the lower case letter "n" are called "sub-6GHz", which are the lower frequency 5G bands on ATT and Tmobile, but not Verizon.

5G bands prefixed with the upper case letter "N" are called "mmWave", which are the higher frequency 5G bands on ATT, Tmobile, and Verizon.

ATT and Tmobile will work on both sub-6GHz AND mmWave bands, but Verizon will only work on mmWave bands.
Sub-6GHz bands as its name suggests (below 6GHz) runs on lower frequencies, therefore they can travel farther and penetrate buildings easier than the higher frequency mmWave bands (above 6GHz). Also, mmWave modems are more expensive, and difficult to install due an additional 4 more antennas for a total of 8.


List of currently available 5G modems:

Fibocom FG100 modem (chipset: Intel XMM 8160) and Fibocom FB101 (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, including mmWave for Verizon.
4G-LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n4, n5, n6, n20, n28, n38, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79, n80, n81, n82, n83, n84
5G mmWave bands: N257, N261, N260


Fibocom FM150-NA (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) which is usually shipped with the WG1608, only has one sub-6GHz band n41 for ATT and Tmobile, no mmWave for Verizon, therefore it's very limited and better off going with another modem.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n2, n41, n66, n78


Quectel RM500Q-AE modem (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, no mmWave for Verizon. Reportedly the RM500Q-GL global version only supports these NSA bands n41, n77, n78, n79 missing the important n71, so make sure to check with the seller.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n28, n38, n40, n41, n48, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79


Quectel RM510Q modem (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, including mmWave for Verizon.
Reportedly the RM510Q-GL version only supports bands n41, n77, n78, n79, so make sure to check with the seller.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n28, n38, n40, n41, n48, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79, n257, n258, n260, n261
5G mmWave bands: N257, N258, N260, N261


Sierra EM9190 modem (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, including mmWave for Verizon.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n25, n28, n38, n39, n40, n41, n66, n71
5G mmWave bands: N257, N258, N260, N261


Simcom SIM8200EA-M2 modem (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, no mmWave for Verizon. Reportedly the SIM8200G-M2 global version only supports these NSA bands n41, n77, n78, n79 missing the important n71, so make sure to check with the seller.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 48, 66 ,71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n25, n28, n40, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79


Telit FN980 modem (chipset: Qualcomm SDX55) has all the sub-6GHz bands for ATT and Tmobile, including mmWave for Verizon.
4G LTE bands: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46, 48, 66, 71
5G sub-6GHz bands: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n12, n14, n20, n28, n30, n41, n66, n71, n77, n78, n79
5G mmWave bands: N257, N258, N260, N261


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Here's my speed test using a Simcom SIM8200"EA"-M2 (NOT the SIM8200"G"-M2 model which doesn't work well on 5G due to missing some NSA bands) in a WG1608 and SimpleMobile service. I ran this test at 3am in the morning with no congestion, about half a mile away in a line of sight from the tower with full signal strength. Note, the <1ms ping is incorrect (it's between 10-20ms), but the IP address is from Tmobile/SimpleMobile.
Bing Speed Test > https://www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest


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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by bobbcudi » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:02 am

I also have the rm500q-ae modem in a wg1608 router with Verizon sim. I can only CA with 2 bands at a time. How do I CA with 3 bands?

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by Didneywhorl » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:32 pm

bobbcudi wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:02 am
I also have the rm500q-ae modem in a wg1608 router with Verizon sim. I can only CA with 2 bands at a time. How do I CA with 3 bands?
Tower controlled. Sometimes its the anchor band and whether or not your on SA or NSA bands for the 5GNR.

5G has introduced a whole new level of confusion when it comes to aggregation and so forth.

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by bobbcudi » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:35 pm

Didneywhorl wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:32 pm
Tower controlled. Sometimes its the anchor band and whether or not your on SA or NSA bands for the 5GNR.

5G has introduced a whole new level of confusion when it comes to aggregation and so forth.
I turned off 5g for the moment due to verizon not having much 5g in my area.

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Re: New ZBT WG1608 5G-ready router + GoldenOrb firmware

Post by Didneywhorl » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:49 pm

The LTE CA stuff is pretty straightforward. Your modem must be capable, and the combinations possible on your modem should be published. If those bands are available on your tower, then its just up to the tower to enable them when in use.

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